Powerful Message Behind ‘The Chosen’ That No One’s Talking About

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For many believers, “The Chosen” has revolutionized the way they engage with Scripture. Biblical scholar and author Brandon Robbins shared with Charisma Media how the series transformed his perspective, taking the disciples off their unreachable pedestals and revealing them as real, flawed people—just like us.

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“We begin to get this different picture of who the disciples were and what their story is,” Robbins says. “It changes the way that we read the Bible.”

Too often, we imagine the disciples as spiritual giants who had it all figured out. However, “The Chosen” reminds us that Jesus called ordinary, broken individuals—tax collectors, zealots and outcasts—showing that God’s grace is greater than our past.

This fresh lens has ignited a global hunger for Scripture, drawing people deeper into the Word.


Watch the video below to hear the rest of Brandon Robbins’ powerful message!

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Abby Trivett is content development editor for Charisma Media.

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Join pastor and biblical scholar Brandon Robbins as he reveals the fascinating cultural context behind The Chosen series. Discover how this groundbreaking show brings the first-century world of Jesus to life, transforming our understanding of discipleship, biblical characters, and the radical nature of Jesus' call.

In this exclusive interview, Brandon explores:

The real meaning of discipleship in Jesus' time

Why Matthew's story is more complex than you thought

How The Chosen humanizes biblical characters

Insights into the cultural background of the gospels

Whether you're a fan of The Chosen or seeking deeper biblical understanding, this conversation will change how you read Scripture.

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what would it have truly been like to

have met Jesus 2,000 years ago you get

to be a disciple and you leave your

family you leave your kids you leave

your job you leave your home you leave

everything to go follow Jesus and I I

think one of the things that would

really transform the church in America

is if we put way more emphasis on that

well Brandon Robbins it is great to have

you here on Charisma and we are talking

about the Forgotten teachings of Jesus

which you have just compiled in your new

book by that same name and uh really

you've you've been able to connect with

this great series The Chosen in a way

that has not just been you're commenting

about the series but you are

highlighting things that people might

have overlooked and your YouTube channel

itself is worth checking out uh and I

definitely want to encourage everybody

to subscribe to that one because you're

going to learn so much of the wisdom and

depth of knowledge that Brandon has of

the scripture so Brandon it's great to

have you here for this conversation oh

thank you so much for having me it's

great to be on with you so let's talk

about your journey I guess I mean you

you started your YouTube channel a few

years before or about a year or so

before the chosen videos started from

you but you're a pastor you have a you

know you you've been preaching the

gospel for a while uh just tell us a

little bit about yourself tell us about

your life so yes I'm a pastor and have

been since 2008 um but you know

obviously viously my relationship with

the Lord begins long before that I grew

up in church and was part of a family um

who went all to the same church and we

sat in the same two pews and I just had

this really wonderful Church experience

growing up where the church itself

really was my family but I also think I

had that experience many people have

where your relationship with Jesus is

something that kind of is given to you

and at some point you have to claim it

for your own and for me that happened

when I was about 15 or 16 years old I

got in some trouble I played a prank on

somebody that that got me in some pretty

deep trouble and um I felt like my life

was about to turn upside down and so I

remember one night being in my bed and

praying and just saying you know God I

need you so much to get me through this

but then also having this overwhelming

feeling that I couldn't just keep asking

God for things and let that be what my

relationship was like like God is just

some sort of elevated Santa Claus who I

go to when I need things but I I needed

to give myself fully to that

relationship ship and so on that night I

just remember saying you know whether

you get me through this or not I'm yours

and I don't know that I knew what it

meant but it evolved into pretty quickly

a call to Ministry and just a deepening

relationship with Jesus over the next

few years and uh went to college and you

know Was preparing to go into Ministry

and then went to grad school and

Seminary and studied everything I needed

to study and then have really just had

the blessing of being able to be a

pastor for the past 17 years and so I've

served as an an associate I've uh served

in small churches I've started churches

and now I just serve an amazing Church

uh now here in Virginia and just love

getting to see what God does through the

local church but then in the midst of

that I think there's always just this

been this yearning inside of me to be

able to to just teach and to be able to

share the things I learn with others and

to be able to spread that and so a

couple of years ago I started a YouTube

channel and originally it was just a

place where I could put out videos for

my church instead of like doing a

newsletter or something like that and

then it evolved from there into well I'm

learning all these things about how to

grow churches and keep a healthy church

and so maybe I can share that with

others and then it just kind of waffled

around for a while because I never

really found an audience and it wasn't

until I did a video on uh season one

episode one of the chosen where finally

it hit that audience and I knew that I

finally had something that I could share

that I loved that other people love too

and really what it was is it wasn't the

chosen that I was talking about but it

was the world of Jesus and for about

five or six years at that point I'd been

just reading book after book after book

about what was it like to really live at

the time of Jesus what was it like to

walk with him as a Jewish rabbi how does

that change the way we read scripture

and it all started by reading a book

called sitting at the feet of Rabbi

Jesus the book that just changed my life

and so I dove deep into that and then

the chosen comes around and there

depicting the world of Jesus in such a

really uniquely Accurate Way from

anything else I'd ever seen and so I uh

just have the gift to being able to

share those sorts of things with others

whether about the chosen or about

scripture anything else yeah having the

the cultural understanding and

understanding that context that Jesus

was even though the Bible was written

for us it wasn't written directly to us

I mean we're we are Jesus was speaking

to a first century Jewish audience and

so the letters in red were really

focused for that audience and so the way

that they receive it is different the

way that we receive it you know 2,000

years later uh in the United States and

we are now of a western mindset instead

of a the Jewish mindset so there's so

many things that we that we miss and so

as you were talking about that book

sitting at the feet of Rabbi Jesus um

what are some of the things that really

stood out to you that kind of changed

your perspective and then you were

excited to share with the audience uh on

your YouTube channel whenever the chosen

came out and kind of gave you that

platform yeah you know one of the big

things that I learned as I read that

book was what it took to be a disciple

and what that process was like and how

hard it was um not everybody got to be a

disciple I think in my mind discipleship

was really just those things you did to

act out your faith so that's going to

church it's reading the Bible it's

praying like that's what it looks like

to be a disciple and so in that book

what I learned is that disciple was

somebody who literally gave up

everything to follow a rabbi and they

had to be selected by that Rabbi so not

everybody got to be a disciple you know

you went through all these levels of

education and at each one you might be

told you're not good enough and then

finally it comes to that point where you

know if you are good enough then a rabbi

will say Lear come follow me and now you

get to be a disciple and you leave your

family you leave your kids you leave

your job you leave your home you leave

everything to follow Jesus and so we I

talked about this in the videos that I

would you know put together about the

chosen because that's really what's

happening in season one is that Jesus is

going around and calling these people to

be his disciples but with the knowledge

of what it was really like back then now

we realize that you know when Peter's in

that boat he's in that boat because at

some point somebody said you're not good

enough you don't have what it takes to

be a disciple and yet here the Messiah

comes and says no no I want you to

follow me and you look at Matthew right

a tax collector somebody everybody would

have said is absolutely not qualified to

be a disciple and Jesus says no you come

follow me and so then we begin to get

this different picture of who the

disciples were and what their story is

leading into that moment and it just

changes the way that we read the Bible

and that's one of the things I love so

much about the show and being able to

share these things is when you go back

when you start studying scripture after

that you see it with a whole different

set of eyes and now you're just looking

at everything differently because you

know something that allows you to kind

of get pulled into that context and into

that first century world and you feel a

bit more like you're there and you're

seeing things the way that they saw it

yeah I think also the one of the things

that's a benefit from The Chosen is that

the the apostles uh or the first

disciples are no longer just stained

glass figures at churches with with you

know these old beards and you know these

long cloaks and things like that where

you know we want to honor them obviously

and that's what those pictures represent

but that's kind of the picture that we

have allowed to be painted in our minds

and so the chosen kind of puts really

Flesh on a lot of these the you know the

people that we just read about in in the

Bible there um so let's let's talk about

some some cultural things uh you said

about the you know Jesus was calling the

fishermen because they were fishermen

because they were told at one point that

they were no longer that they were not

good enough and Jesus calls out the

disciples in in very powerful ways in

the show and one of them that is really

very interesting to me is the the

Matthew character and I know that was

one of your one of your first big videos

is the truth about Matthew um what made

you dive deep into the truth about

Matthew you know Matthew in the in the

show The Chosen is a very unique

character the way that they've depicted

him giving him just these sort of

Asperger sort of Tendencies um you know

I think really draws people's attention

to him and in some ways I think helps

them to connect with him because just he

has so many idiot syncr and they can see

themselves maybe in his flaws or they

just find empathy with his character so

so I knew Matthew was somebody that

people were really interested in and it

was actually a series I I did where we

went through multiple disciples we went

through Peter we went through John these

disciples who are really talked about

more in scripture but with Matthew

especially what I knew was that there

was so much in his background to being a

tax collector that I didn't know growing

up I mean just like the phrase tax

collector to me sounded like okay just

somebody who works for the IRS it's

their job to collect taxes but that's

not even close to what this was I mean

in the first century World basically

what Matthew did is he kind of um you

know worked to get this job he vied for

this job of being a tax collector wanted

to get selected he made a bid he would

pay roam all this money in advance and

then he would collect whatever he wanted

and so he would collect all kinds of

money if somebody owed a th000 bucks

he'd make him pay 2,000 and he profited

all of what was on top of it and then he

could tax people for random reasons he

could pull people over on the side of

the road and say hey you've got a cart

full of goods you need to pay me taxes

if you want to go through and so he was

just devastating his own people and

that's the important thing to remember

is that Matthew is Jewish right he's not

some random Gentile who's coming in and

hurting the Jewish people he doesn't

care about these are his people his

people who have been oppressed for

hundreds of years thousands of years you

know by one culture after another one

Empire after another and he's adding to

that and aiding and abetting the people

who now control the land that's supposed

to go um belong to God and so when we

understand that we understand where he's

coming

from what his family thinks about him

how rejected he feels and so now we

understand not only what it means for

him to follow Jesus why following Jesus

is such a transformation of his heart

and his life and why he kind of needs

that but

also what he's giving up I mean he

literally walks away from a tax Booth he

walks away from all this stuff he

already paid money for and says I'm I

don't need any of it because I've got

Jesus and all of a sudden that that kind

of puts that into context in our own

lives and what it looks like to walk

away and and why we would that is so

powerful whenever you really think about

that because if you don't understand the

context of what he was walking away from

and even what you just said there I mean

I thought I knew some I thought I knew

some things about what it meant to be a

tax collector but I never thought about

the the way that he was extorting and

how he was free to do that because he

already paid you know for these

different things so um thank you you sh

you've taught me something already in

this interview I love it um so you have

a p you're a pastor you have a a

Congregation of your own and so

obviously you're not teaching about the

chosen every single week because the

chosen isn't scripture as you as you are

are openly saying and at Dallas Jenkins

the creator of the chosen openly says

that this is not scripture but um what

are some of these other things that you

you enjoy teaching about as well what

really gives me passion is anything that

I feel like I can teach that allows

somebody to go back and read the Bible

in a way where they can look at a

passage that they never understood and

understand it suddenly or they can look

at something that they thought meant one

thing and now realizes it mean realize

it means something else or even just be

able to feel like they're there

and so you know do it in a variety of

ways so for instance one of the series

that we had kick off the year at the

church that I serve is a series called

shama where we looked at this prayer

that Jesus prayed twice a day every

single day the prayer that he says is

the greatest of all the Commandments to

love the Lord your God with all your

heart soul and strength and what that

really means and how we build our life

around that and how that word shama

means to hear and to obey and so what

does it look like as Disciples of Jesus

to try to hear God speak like Jesus did

and to then figure out how do we obey

that and what are the pictures of that

that we see in scripture where you know

they're hearing God speak what process

did they go through to figure out how to

actually act on that or to know that

it's God's voice um and so really just

taking these things that were normal for

Jesus these practices and customs and

helping people to see that that's not

old stuff it's not stuff that died out

years ago we didn't figure out

necessarily A Better Way

and if we can kind of connect oursel to

those roots of who Jesus was and how he

lived out his faith all of a sudden

scripture opens up to us but also our

relationship with the Lord can have New

Dimensions that we've never even

experienced before yeah as we open up to

the Lord and let him kind of lead and

guide us as we you know Proverbs 35 and

6 trust in the Lord with all your heart

and lean not on your own understanding

in all your ways acknowledge Him and He

will make your path straight um as you

were starting these videos about the

chosen I I know that you you almost

decided to kind of give up on that can

you tell us that story and what what

happened after that it's so funny to

think back on it now

because it's hard to remember how um

exhausted I was in that moment and how

kind of hopeless it looked in the future

but I mean I'd been on YouTube for at

that point going on two years and I had

put out every kind of video I could

think of and was trying to you know

Reach people through this or that thing

and nothing stuck and I essentially as

we got into 2021 said to myself I've got

a lot going on here at the church you

know I'm their Pastor I want to just

give my heart to some things going on

here and working on things going on in

the church and so you know this YouTube

thing takes a lot of time so Lord I'm

just going to step away from this and if

it if you want it to thrive later then

awesome I'll be ready to come back but

otherwise I just release it to you and

it was probably about a week later where

all of a sudden I just checked YouTube

randomly and it had just exploded it was

that one video on episode one of season

one of the chosen where all of a sudden

the channel went from you know 8800

subscribers to 8,000 in a matter of just

days and the the video went from a 100

views to 100,000 views over the next

month and what I realized in that moment

what was so exciting about that moment

is I think as a person who tries to put

out content on YouTube or in any place

you're always searching for like what is

it that people are hungry for that you

are also passionate about and I realized

that in that moment like people want to

know about the world of Jesus and it's

something I'm passionate about so if we

get to take this journey together and I

get to share these things I mean what

more could you ask for like it's just

such a beautiful gift to be able to live

out of your passion that way and then

just to see how God had taken that thing

that I thought was dead and brought it

to life in a way that I never imagined

really is something I try to constantly

remember I mean I remember the first

time you know we got a thousand views on

a video and how ecstatic I was over that

and I never want to take that for

granted I never want to get to that

point where it's like oh man a thousand

views is nothing no a thousand views is

a huge thing like a thousand people were

moved by that and so to always just kind

of keep grounded in that and just

realize that that I have this blessed

opportunity to share things that God

uses to change people's lives and never

want to take that for granted and so

you've actually been able to develop a

community that those thousand views

turned into a thousand viewers and then

they became a community around you know

the the content you're producing but

there's um you I know you've LED tours

to Israel or you've taken tours to

Israel with with these with these groups

of people um can you talk about that of

what what it is for you to be able to

teach in these areas in Israel where

this stuff actually happened I know from

my own experience being in Israel um in

what

2003 uh it was eye openening in so many

ways and I would love to go back uh with

somebody that could actually teach the

way that you teach and uh to be able to

have my eyes opened up even even more

with that cultural context there what's

that like for you to teach there in

those places with the people that have

gravitated towards this this virtual

congregation that God has given you

there's really nothing like it um it's

been an interesting you know past year

or so because of everything going on in

Israel not being able to go back there

we're actually planning a trip um in

August August 4th through the 14th um

that's still open if you or anybody else

wants to go on that um but we're going

to be going back to

Israel but what I love about it so much

is you know people always told me it's

the it's the Fifth Gospel right it's

this place where you can experience the

Bible in a way you can't experience

anywhere else and I think it's one thing

to hear that and it's another to

actually walk into a place and realize

that that threshold right there in the

ground that used to be a first century

synagogue is a place where Jesus's feet

actually touched and crossed and that

Mikvah that ritual bath that's sitting

right outside of the you know the um the

synagogue and kazim is one that Jesus

would have gone into to realize like you

are in this space and then to go to

places that you've heard about forever

and to see them forever reinterpreted so

on my first trip to Israel I was just

going along with others and I was a

student and we we hiked it and I spent

days in the desert in the wilderness

down in the ngev just hiking and you

know on different paths and things like

that and in my mind the desert was

always this Wasteland where you know the

people just had to endure it before they

could go to the truly great place and

yet the truth is when you're there you

realize that yeah I mean the desert it

doesn't have water it's a hard place to

live but God may be more present in that

desert than any place you've ever been

um in fact God says like the Wilderness

is mine like this is where I am with you

and and this is where God provided and

there story after Story and so to

experience that and to realize that

there is Beauty in this place and that

even in the midst of our darkest most

wilderness moments in our lives God is

present and there's Beauty in that um it

just it made all of those experien es

and all of those stories that I'd heard

about come to life for me in a new way

and so I just love the opportunity to

share that with people you know tell

them a scripture that maybe they heard

and say it happened here right or to

stand in a place like cesaria Philippi

and to say you know you may have read

this moment where Jesus says on this

rock I will build my church and the

Gates of Hell will not overcome it and

it' be like there's the gates right but

here's everything else going on in this

place that ties into that passage and

these words Jesus is using that kind of

get lost to us in English but if you

look back at what he said in the Greek

or if you look at what his counterpart

is in the Hebrew all of a sudden this

whole place looks different to see when

that clicks with somebody and now they

can't read the Bible the same way again

I just think it's it's a beautiful gift

I was glad to hear you say about the to

say that about the neev um whenever I

was there the the places that I felt the

presence of the Lord the strongest and I

just felt his peace the Nega desert was

was one of them and Getty was another um

and then the the garden tomb would be my

third favorite place that that I was at

where I felt a tangible presence of the

Lord and I still I totally agree with

that the negative is something that

people don't normally talk about but the

Lord is with you in the wilderness there

and man it's good to know that that that

that resonated with you too yeah I mean

and I had a a particularly unique

experience there so like I said we hiked

it and we were going up and down hills

and mountains and on days one and two my

knees started to give out and I remember

one day just walking I mean every step

was excruciating um and so I had these

braces on and all this other stuff and

the day we went to the ngev um we were

about to start hiking there I was like I

don't know how I'm going to walk like

Lord I I just like I need a miracle and

as I was hiking I just had this moment

um where I'm just asking God what do I

do what do I do and God says just take

it off take off the

brace and from that moment forward I did

not have one ounce of pain for the rest

of the trip and for me it was this

powerful moment of realizing like God is

in this Wilderness and healing happens

in this Wilderness and there is just

something special about this place um

and it it's just it was one of the most

powerful experiences of my life so you

had braces on your on your legs on your

knees before that hike so you you were

going into this hike knowing that there

was that there was going to be some

trials with that can I ask what happened

that you already had braces with that it

wasn't obviously probably wasn't just a

sprained knee or something like that

from the day before but what was going

on yeah I mean I I guess in my life I'd

had knee pain here and there um and so I

took these things with me these things

to put around my legs to kind of give

them stability it wasn't like a heavy

metal brace was kind of like something

you can wrap around it um but the crazy

thing about that last day when you know

the pain went away and the healing

happened is I put those same braces on

my legs and it was this constant

irritation it was like fiberglass was

running against my skin and I was like

how am I going to do this like not only

are my knees in pain but now I just feel

this irritating I'm going to start you

know bleeding or it's just me this awful

excruciating thing and so that's what's

on my mind as I'm walking in Lord what

in the world do I do and that's when I

hear that that voice say just take it

off and it you know defied logic it's

like you know where you're like in your

head and you're like um was that me like

did I say that to me or like was this

really the Lord and just this

undeniable sense that like no like you

just need to do this and so the next

time we stopped hiking I took him off

and and that was it so since you've had

your own healing Miracle like that can

you talk about the teachings or the the

healings of Jesus and some of the

teachings that you have derived around

that to kind of give people more more

understanding what I think is so

fascinating something I missed for years

as I read that is that when that man is

healed Jesus is pretty clear that it's

not that man's Faith that's healed him

it's the faith of his

friends and one of the things that

really sticks out to me about that

something that I've learned by you know

being in that culture in Israel but also

just studying so much about the world of

of Jesus is just how important the

connection is between people right so we

live in a very individualistic culture

where it's all about me and Jesus and

how I navigate that relationship but at

the time of Jesus it was collectivist it

was it was us and Jesus like they're

really you you almost couldn't separate

this individual thing from the community

as a whole what happened to you impacted

everybody else and so in that moment I

think it's this powerful thing that

allows us to realize just the the power

of being in community and the power of

the body of Christ around us that it's

not just about me and my prayers right

but it's about the prayers of the people

around you it's about the people who are

in that Community who are supporting you

and lifting you up it's about the faith

of the people around you I mean in that

instance that man is healed because of

the faith of the people around him and I

I think one of the things that would

really transform the church in

America is if we put way more emphasis

on that you know instead of talking so

much about how do I have a personal time

with Jesus and an individual V

devotional time really just like how do

we immerse ourselves in community and

how do we together interpret scripture

through the lens of being around each

other and how God is speaking through

all of us and how do we you know

interpret scripture through how does

this not just impact me but how does it

impact us as a group how does it impact

impact the church as a whole just the

way we would begin to function I think

would be so different and I see it very

powerfully in that in that story there

wow that's so true we especially in the

American mindset we are very

individualistic and uh we definitely put

down the the need for other people and

that's that is so important in the

scriptures as we read that as you just

said man that is something that uh that

I think everybody that's watching this

and or listening to this really needs to

grab a hold of that you're not in this

alone you are in this life together with

the people that God has has connected

you with and the faith of your friends

can lead to healing that'll change your

life forever and Brandon the I know that

the chosen has changed your life quite a

bit we talked about that in this in this

conversation and to the point where

you've written this book The the

Forgotten teachings of Jesus and Dallas

Jenkins actually wrote the forward which

I think that's a huge honor that's

really cool that nice seal of approval

or that stamp of approval there but in

your own words how has the chosen

changed your life

you touched on this a little bit earlier

um one of the things that I think the

chosen has done for me and for so many

other people is allow the gospel to come

to life in a way that enables us to see

it a bit differently and I would say a

bit more Faithfully than we have in the

past and so you mentioned the whole

thing about the disciples and they used

to kind of be on this these pedestals

and that's very much how I felt about it

when I would study it I would look at

scripture and I would just think

everybody's perfect yeah Peter had his

moment Judas had his moment but in

general these are in my mind old men who

have figured it all out and they were

the best of the best and that's why they

follow Jesus and that's just not true

and what the show I think does such a

great job of is not just showing the

fallibility of every one of these

disciples but also allowing them to be

unique enough so that we can see

ourselves in them and in the midst of

our imperfection to know that Jesus

still chooses us that God's grace is

that big and that the Lord can use us

despite how weak and messed up we may be

and how many mistakes we've made and

what our past may look like you know I

mean some of the people who are

following Jesus are are people you know

like zealots who have this kind of

violent murderous path or you've got

Matthew who destroyed his own people and

wrecked lives you know you have people

just with terrible pasts and yet there

they are with

Jesus and so it allows me and others to

read the scriptures and see ourselves in

them in an entirely new way and I think

that's one of the things that I I love

so much about what the show does it's

not scripture it's absolutely one of

those things where it's a jumping off

point and then you definitely need to go

read your Bible and you need to study it

and you need to know what's true and

what's not and what's Hollywood and

what's you know actually scriptural but

at the same time it it's changing the

world I mean it's a movement that is

global where people are hungry for the

Bible in a way that they have not been

that I that I can remember in my

lifetime

and it's just a real it's such a

blessing to be able to be a part of that

and I guess the other way I would say

it's it's changed my life is it opened

the door for now me to be able to be a

part of that movement and have this

opportunity to be able to share these

things with others that I don't know

that I would have ever had otherwise

that is so cool and getting people into

the scriptures is what we really want we

want people to understand those

forgotten teachings of Jesus not that

Jesus forgotten them but we've forgotten

them over time and we need to get back

to those original ones thank you so much

Brandon for helping point out that this

is what Jesus was saying this is who he

was saying it to this is what he meant

in that context and making it come alive

in in a powerful way for a modern

audience thank you so much for your

YouTube channel and this book and I want

to encourage everybody again to pick up

this book and subscribe to Brandon's

YouTube channel you won't regret it

you're going to learn something that'll

change your life Brandon thank you so

much for being here today thank you for

having me it was great

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